Question:
Some questions about Harry Potter?
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2011-01-24 14:14:06 UTC
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When Snape kills Dumbledore, Dumbledore tells Harry to stay below and not to make a sound...but knowing that Harry will not do that, he puts him under the Full-Body Bind curse.... which is broken once Dumbledore is killed. So, I am to assume that spells or charms done by a wizard/witch cease once that wizard/witch is dead. So, that 'Dumbledore ghost' in the entrance hall of 12 Grimmauld place was made by Moody, it has his voice asking if it's Snape and in order to get past it in the novel they have to say it wasn't them who killed Dumbledore------Lupin says he didn't kill Dumbledore as does Harry when he, Ron and Hermione get there. So, why didn't that 'ghost' go away once Moody was dead??? And for that matter, WHO is actually the one who performed the Fidelius charm on 12 Grimmauld place, b/c even though there are plenty of Secret Keepers, I thought the person who performed the charm had to NOT be a secret keeper????

Also, at the point where Harry, Ron and Hermione go to Grimmauld place, Snape is still a Secret Keeper so what's to keep him out or keep him from telling the other death eaters where it is, therefore, making them secret keepers also...(I know that we know he wouldn't do this but at the time, Harry and Ron and Hermine don't so why would they think it's safe to go there??)
Five answers:
Finesse
2011-01-24 14:41:29 UTC
Permanency isn't meant to be part of the body bind curse, it's a curse meant to be revoked eventually, so such a thing will fade when the caster is not putting any more magic into it. But a thing like the Fidelius charm is, otherwise it wouldn't be much of a protective solution if the way to break it would simply involve killing the secret keeper, and if the charm is needed in the first place obviously someone out there wouldn't mind killing in order to get in. If it were so, the secret keeper would be in so much danger themselves that the burden probably wouldn't even be worth it, and they'd need whole other systems set up to keep them safe, and for the ones to keep them safe... and so on. Some spells are permanent, like the way that the permanent sticking charm still keeps the portrait of Mrs Black on the wall even though she's gone, or the Griffindor banners in Sirius's room.



I think the ones who cast the Fidelius charm on number 12 were Sirius's parents, because it said, I think, in Order of the Phoenix that the Blacks had cast every protective spell they could on the place, which made it unplottable and ideal as headquarters and Sirius's sanctuary. Once they died, no doubt Regulas and Sirius became the secret keepers, but then Sirius gave the place to Dumbledore to work as headquarters so I think he got changed to the secret keeper.



And Moody aslo cast a tongue tie curse on Snape to keep him from speaking of it. I don't know if it really worked, but it would make Harry's tongue curl up when he walked into number 12 each time. They went there because they took a chance on Moody's spells still working, even though they knew there was a chance that Kreacher had said something to Bellatrix or Snape could walk in. Harry was kind of hoping that Snape would show up, too.
Lucy Prewett
2011-01-24 22:29:42 UTC
I don't know for sure, but I guess we can infer that the magic used to place dumbledore's "ghost" in the house was more powerful than a simple body-binding charm. Also, I'm pretty sure there are ways to make a charm stronger/ last longer. When Dumbledore placed the body-binding charm on Harry, he also must've anticipated that the charm would be broken, or else Harry would have probably been there for hours.



I think the person who performs the Fidelius charm is the one who owns the home, (Ex. While Wormtail was the secret keeper for the Potters, I think James would have performed the charm) but I'm not positive.



I'm not sure if anything really could have kept him out, personally, I don't entirely understand the purpose of that charm or if it would have even done anything if snape did come to the house. However, if Snape told the deatheaters, i dont think they would also become secret keepers, i think the charm would be broken. To make someone a secret keeper I'm pretty sure you must SHOW them the place rather than tell them.



As for Harry, Ron and Hermione, they didn't really have anywhere else to go, so they just assumed that it would be OK.
2011-01-24 22:23:04 UTC
Well I'm thinking maybe spells and charms break when the person dies only if it is placed on a person, not conjured up. And I think that Sirious's parents are the ones who put the spell on 12 Grimmauld Place, if I remember right. And if you know about the place because the secret keeper told you, does not make you a secret keeper, too, that just means you have permission to go into it, but not the permission to tell anyone.
FatalFox_13
2011-01-24 22:21:17 UTC
its most likely that a charm on a person would cease when the wizard who cast it dies but not on objects like a house. And to place the fidelius charm on the house you would have to be a secret keeper in order to know where it is and to protect it, if your not a secret keeper you could walk right by the house and not find it unless one of the secret keepers told you where it was.
?
2011-01-24 22:18:46 UTC
I think it works differently for different charms. Kind of like how Mrs. Blacks picture cannot be taken down. It all depends on how powerful the charm, curse, etc. is.

As for your second question, I know that there is an answer, I really do, but I just can't think of it at the moment. Darn.


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