Question:
Harry Potter fans: does the Sorting system do more harm than good?
Johanna
2011-12-28 19:24:56 UTC
I read this HP fanfiction where the Sorting Hat decides that it's not going to sort the Hogwarts students anymore, thus there will be no more Slytherin, Ravenclaw, Hufflepuff and Gryffindor. I believe that the Sorting Hat thought that the Sorting system caused problems. This led me to wonder if the system really does cause more harm than good. Harry Potter fans, what are your thoughts on this? Would Hogwarts be better off without the 4 houses? Does it even need houses in the first place? Does the sorting system cause more harm than good? What's your opinion? (:
Ten answers:
Glissade
2011-12-28 19:54:41 UTC
I'm not really sure where I fall on this answer, so I'm going to type out my reasoning and see where it leads me... hope that's okay.



On the against-sorting side:

I would agree that there is some serious negativity generated by the sorting system, especially in the case of Slytherin house. Poor Slytherin is pretty much the designated "evil" house, which, I've always thought, makes it a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. I mean, if everybody else acts like jerks towards you and thinks you're a mini Death Eater, you might as well just throw in the cards and act like a jerk. To be fair, the series is told from a Gryffindor point of view, so it may be their bias (maybe Hufflepuffs and Ravenclaws are arch enemies as well?), but even so, by the end of the series, everybody is decidedly anti-Slytherin, which may be warranted for the children of Death Eaters, but that's only maybe 5-10 kids out of the whole house.



This evil designation of Slytherin also causes some serious security issues- the belief that only Slytherins become bad wizards (a belief we see as early as book 1, thanks to Hagrid) leads to ignoring potential traitors like Peter Pettigrew. One could argue that it was also easier for the Wizarding community to vilify Sirius, as he came from a traditionally Slytherin family.



There's also the issue that GOOD Slytherins don't seem to be as highly regarded by the rest of the Wizarding community as those from other houses (though there are obviously fewer of them mentioned, they do crop up here and there)



On the pro-sorting side:

1) Tradition- there is something to be said for tradition, especially when running an ancient wizarding school. I would think doing away with the sorting would cause some kerfuffle amongst the community. This is obviously a minor point, but still thought it deserved a mention.



2) Not all competition is bad- Rivalry isn't always a bad thing, at least in moderation.



3) Incentivization of good behavior- Going hand in hand with the "positive rivalry", there's the fact that the system of earning and losing house points is an effective way for schools to monitor students behavior. It would be possible to do this on an individual level, but in general it would be more effective as groups, since that makes you accountable not only for your own happiness, but also others, promoting team spirit. Whereas if you got individual points, and you just happened not to care about it, you wouldn't participate. So the school would have to resort to either mass incentives for individual points OR come up with a different way to punish kids (and Dolores showed us that isn't always fun).



4) Sports- quidditch. Might be possible to do without houses, but you would probably wind up with the good players all joining one team and crushing the others. This way, everybody has equal chance of getting a good team together.



5) Slytherins did kind of bring this on themselves- Or more specifically, Salazar did with his elitist attitude, made more of a problem when Lord Voldie happened to be a Slytherin. So while it is totally unfair to punish kids who might not be total jerks by making them believe they are total jerks, they are treated this way because... well... the most noticeable of their house are total jerks.



SO I think I do have to come down on the side of KEEP the sorting.



I will say however, I think it would be a good idea for the Sorting Hat NOT to take into account the students choice (as he did with Harry). If everybody knows Slytherin is full of evil, than what does that say about the type that would pick that house? If the SH just tossed everybody into the house they actually fit best with, that wouldn't be a problem. Also, it would mean slightly less cliqueness, as people who were friends pre-Hogwarts (especially siblings or cousins) would not be able to choose the same house... therefore, they would still talk to each other and hang out, and would introduce their friends to one another, so people from different houses could form better friendships. So I would keep sorting, but with reform.
Breanna
2011-12-28 19:30:37 UTC
Based upon my own beliefs, I think that the sorting hat is needed.



Each 4 groups of the houses, all have different personality's. Gryffindors are courageous, Slytherins are cunning, Hufflepuffs are kind and trustworthy, and Ravenclaws are bright.



Sure, maybe the other houses share there alike quality's, but there are the most common ones in the house.



And if you put different personality's together, they clash.



Plus, look at the Great Hall. Everyone is separated by house there, and people still get into arguments. If there were no houses at all, it would be ridiculous!
Team E
2011-12-28 19:34:59 UTC
I think it would be better WITH! I think the houses seperate the students. Gryffindor students are more lets say outgoing and more into school (i think). Slytherin students are on the more bad students side. Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw are just like the middle group. This is all in my eyes. Alot of you might think different then me! I think each house has students that go together. For instense slytherin studetns get along better then a slytherin and a griffindor student might.
2011-12-28 19:49:35 UTC
The sorting hat has a huge effect on the outcome of the FIRST book. So what would the whole series be like without it? There most likely wouldn't be a golden trio if they all weren't in gryffindor. Harry wouldn't have lived to 17,if he and Ron hadn't become friends with Hermione. Without it all the hp couples woudn't have fallen in love (esspecially Ron & Hermione). So many crucial events wouldn't have happened without it. The harry potter series dosen't revolve around the sorting,but where would we be without it?
Rachel
2011-12-28 19:26:46 UTC
No I love Harry Potter movies. I wouldnt change anything. The sorting hat system is just another wonderful point of the series.
Anonymous
2011-12-29 07:33:26 UTC
Absolutely not!



The sorting hat and houses are kinda amazing. It brings some compitition and a goal for students to work together with their house to win the cup. And it doesn't have to be so divided or secluded. Even though the movies portrayed them to be secluded in their house... it's a normal thought for me to think that you would generally just be friends with many people outside of your house too.



It's not the houses that caused people to divide, it's just the people themselves.
Sigh Co XD
2011-12-28 19:28:54 UTC
Not really. Think how the personalities would clash if they were in the same dorms every night. what if it hadnt been there to seperate Lily and Severus in their first year? Thus Harry Potter wouldnt be the same. The sorting hat knows all. It put Neville in Griffyndor when he wasnt sure because it knew he had some bravery.
2011-12-28 19:29:16 UTC
It has it's ups and downs. There would probably be no more Qwidditch, but there would be less discrimination. And the kids would behave worse because there are no 'house points' to take off them. I personally, am in favour of the sorting hat.
Darrick
2011-12-28 19:27:26 UTC
The houses are really a big part of the entire series, definitely a good thing.
?
2011-12-28 19:28:24 UTC
OBVIOUSLY GOOD!!! without it Jk Rowling wouldn't have been able to write the story, She would need a Entirely NEW plot! And that would be horrifying


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